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EDIT: This thread is now out of date - the Lunatics website is not accessible now.

Hi all,

(This thread is for Windows/Linux based OS - if running MAC, then check here  )

If you are running a Windows, Linux, Alpha/IA64, FreeBSD or HPUX OS, the you can download the SETI optimised application from here:

http://lunatics.at/index.php?module=Downloads;catd=9

(making sure you pick the right one for your CPU)


If you're not sure which CPU you have, then download this:

http://www.cpuid.com/download/cpu-z-141.zip

and see what CPU and whether it supports MMX, SSE, SSE2 or even SSE3.


To unpack the soup, you'll need the 7-zip utility from here:

http://www.7-zip.org/

Then use the 7-zip progam to unzip the soup file...you'll then get a directory called "files to install".....

Just STOP BOINC. Then copy all the files from the "Files to install" directory into the "BOINC/projects/setiathome.berkeley.edu" directory.


Then restart BOINC and in the messages screen it should say


Found app_info.xml; using anonymous platform

That's it....

The benefit of using the Soup is that each WU will be crunched faster, allowing you to return more WUs per day...!

regards

Tim

Where Boinc projects show on the "your computers" bit this sort of detail (for example)
GenuineIntel
Intel(R) Pentium(R) D CPU 3.40GHz [x86 Family 15 Model 6 Stepping 4] [fpu tsc pae nx sse sse2 mmx]

Would that mean sse2 would be the one to use?

UBT-mark3346 wrote:Where Boinc projects show on the "your computers" bit this sort of detail (for example)
GenuineIntel
Intel(R) Pentium(R) D CPU 3.40GHz [x86 Family 15 Model 6 Stepping 4] [fpu tsc pae nx sse sse2 mmx]

Would that mean sse2 would be the one to use?

Hi,

Yup

Although, TBH, my quad Intel CPU, shows as being "SSE2" and yet there is a separate SSE3 soup version for the Core 2....

so I'm using the specific Core 2 soup....seems to be working fine.

regards

Tim

its worth noting also that on linux systems SSE3 is sometimes referred to as pni ie
GenuineIntel
Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU 5130 @ 2.00GHz [fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe nx lm constant_tsc pni monitor ds_cpl tm2 xtpr]

My PC is SSE3 capable too, but I see the app is for Intel only

Found a work unit crunched by a pc with the same cpu as mine but without the app, quite a difference...

http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/workunit ... =173226990

Finally managed to download and install this onto my 'puter!  :lol:

Installed soup on one box at present. If it works out will deploy to others over next few days.

 Can't get any of em to work fink ive broke it
Followed the instructions above but nothing happens???


 Terry

UBT - Terry wrote:  Can't get any of em to work fink ive broke it
Followed the instructions above but nothing happens???


 Terry

No errors ?

UBT - Terry wrote:  Can't get any of em to work fink ive broke it
Followed the instructions above but nothing happens???


 Terry

Terry
As Timbo said, its just a case of getting the right soup, stopping boinc, copy the files into the seti project directory and starting boinc, easy huh

Why do you say nothing happens?
what are you expecting to happen?
boinc manager should look just as it did before, the only thing you'll notice is the "anonymous platform" message in the messages tab just as you restart boinc

Not getting the  anonymous platform come up it just runs as normal.
No Errors nothing I'm using the AMD version sse2 even though my 5600+ has sse3 as well I dunno

Just had a moment of clarity stopped BOINC went to the files I'd put into the dir and double clicked the alien head icon and started BOINC again and there it is the message found annon app .
Sorry I am blond      :oops:

 Terry

Well done mate :thumbup:
now just sit back and watch it fly

UBT - Terry wrote:No Errors nothing I'm using the AMD version sse2 even though my 5600+ has sse3 as well I dunno

The various versions of Chicken soup are compiled with Intels ICC compiler and Intel have been found to have been naughty in the "does this chip use SSE3" bit of code.
It seems that if you don't have an Intel chip it bombs out.

Some clever chap had written a patch that gets around this problem, if you're feeling brave have a look here
I don't run any SSE3 AMD CPUs so therefore haven't had a need to run the patch.
Use at you own risk

:thumbright:  :thumbleft: Nice 1    :lol:  :lol:

Bodge job of the week ........When your heatsink don''t fit use a piece of wire off a wine bottle  

Please sent unused wine and wine bottels to me!!!!!

Seemed like a good idea after drinking the wine first.
A word of warning ........
Although its fine to use any old Sparkling wine cork wire for a P2 or p3
your  better off using the  wire from a champagne cork when bodging a P4 or above ensuring better heat transfer .
Why endanger a quad core using anything less that a bottle of Moët  :lol:

Not sure which soup I require.

Chip shows as..

GenuineIntel
Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.20GHz [x86 Family 15 Model 2 Stepping 9]

Anyone any ideas, and if so how do I get it into the right directory.
Think you have to use notepad, but as i am only a thicko train driver, not a computer boffin not sure how to do it.
Helpful suggestions welcome please, after all, its for the good of the team.

UBT - The Prof.... wrote:Not sure which soup I require.

Chip shows as..

GenuineIntel
Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.20GHz [x86 Family 15 Model 2 Stepping 9]

I'd guess at this one
Your CPU should do SSE2 and probably SSE3 even though your seti page for that computer doesn't show any CPU flags.

You don't have to use notepad, not sure where you got that from

Download the above, you'll probably need to download 7zip too (link on the same page)
Un7zip into a directory somewhere and there should be a Files_To_Install directory.
You stop boinc, then copy all of the files from that directory into (usually) C:\Program Files\BOINC\projects\setiathome.berkeley.edu and restart boinc, just like Tim said

Temujin wrote:

UBT - The Prof.... wrote:Not sure which soup I require.

Chip shows as..

GenuineIntel
Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.20GHz [x86 Family 15 Model 2 Stepping 9]

I'd guess at this one
Your CPU should do SSE2 and probably SSE3 even though your seti page for that computer doesn't show any CPU flags.

You don't have to use notepad, not sure where you got that from

Download the above, you'll probably need to download 7zip too (link on the same page)
Un7zip into a directory somewhere and there should be a Files_To_Install directory.
You stop boinc, then copy all of the files from that directory into (usually) C:\Program Files\BOINC\projects\setiathome.berkeley.edu and restart boinc, just like Tim said

Thanks for that. Have done as suggested. Hope it works, now up and running again.

Temujin wrote:
Some clever chap had written a patch that gets around this problem, if you're feeling brave have a look here
I don't run any SSE3 AMD CPUs so therefore haven't had a need to run the patch.
Use at you own risk

I've had a look at this and will let you know if works when I get some new wus

UBT - The Prof.... wrote:.....
Anyone any ideas, and if so how do I get it into the right directory.
Think you have to use notepad, but as i am only a thicko train driver, not a computer boffin not sure how to do it.
Helpful suggestions welcome please, after all, its for the good of the team.

Hi,

(Assuming you use Windoze).

First, you need do is to unzip the archived soup files using 7-zip utility.

Then use the "Start > My Computer" link to open "File Manager" and then navigate to the directory where you unzipped the soup files to, and then select all the files in the "File to Install" directory, using the "File > Select ALL" function and then use the "File > Copy to folder" function to copy the files (should be three of them) and direct these to your SETI folder, making sure you've ALREADY EXITED from BOINC......!

Then once copied, close "My Computer", restart BOINC and to be sure, when you click on the "Task" tab in BOINC, the "Show graphics" button will be greyed out (coz soup doesn't support graphics) when you click on a SETI WU.

regards

Tim

Thanks guys, all up and running, and boy does it run faster  :!:
Edit Runs about 30% faster I think  :!:  

UBT - The Prof.... wrote:Thanks guys, all up and running, and boy does it run faster  :!:
Edit Runs about 30% faster I think  :!:  

Nuff said....

regards

Tim

Yeah same here each wu is about 30 to35 % faster

Well done guys :thumbup:

One thing to note.
If you are running on windows vista you may find that the chicken soup will not run.
You may find this thread over in the optimized aps section of use.
http://forum.ukboincteam.com/viewtopic.php?t=3066

Yipppe .Chicken soup running on all machines now with no problems  :lol:
Still early days but gone from 230 credits a day to 350+ on my 2.8 meg p4


If you haven't installed it yet ..........DO it now !
Theres lots of help if your not sure what to do.

Thanks goes to all that helped .your all stars   :occasion5:

Left SETI running today on this Intel(R) Pentium(R) D CPU 3.40GHz and there was a long list of this stuff

31/10/2007 08:50:49|SETI@home|Starting 09fe07ac.11645.3340.13.6.22_1
31/10/2007 08:50:49|SETI@home|Starting task 09fe07ac.11645.3340.13.6.22_1 using setiathome_enhanced version 517
31/10/2007 09:19:54||Restarting 21mr07ac.24986.13569.5.6.69_2 - message timeout
31/10/2007 09:19:54|SETI@home|Restarting task 21mr07ac.24986.13569.5.6.69_2 using setiathome_enhanced version 517
31/10/2007 10:51:43||Restarting 09fe07ac.11645.3340.13.6.22_1 - message timeout

This wu "21mr07ac.24986.13569.5.6.69" took over 10 hrs for a massive 54 credits, the other was over 8 hrs for 89% completion.
I had the auto install soup quite a few months ago do I need to change it/ does this just happen with some wu's/or any other suggestion (5 credits an hour is poo-in the time these 2 were running cosmo would have given  400 to 800 credits compared to around a 100 on SETI)

WU http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/workunit ... =170637477

UBT-mark3346 wrote:Left SETI running today on this Intel(R) Pentium(R) D CPU 3.40GHz and there was a long list of this stuff

31/10/2007 08:50:49|SETI@home|Starting 09fe07ac.11645.3340.13.6.22_1
31/10/2007 08:50:49|SETI@home|Starting task 09fe07ac.11645.3340.13.6.22_1 using setiathome_enhanced version 517
31/10/2007 09:19:54||Restarting 21mr07ac.24986.13569.5.6.69_2 - message timeout
31/10/2007 09:19:54|SETI@home|Restarting task 21mr07ac.24986.13569.5.6.69_2 using setiathome_enhanced version 517
31/10/2007 10:51:43||Restarting 09fe07ac.11645.3340.13.6.22_1 - message timeout

This wu "21mr07ac.24986.13569.5.6.69" took over 10 hrs for a massive 54 credits, the other was over 8 hrs for 89% completion.
I had the auto install soup quite a few months ago do I need to change it/ does this just happen with some WUs/or any other suggestion (5 credits an hour is poo-in the time these 2 were running cosmo would have given  400 to 800 credits compared to around a 100 on SETI)

WU http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/workunit ... =170637477

You have to compare like for like - the other guy is running Linux which makes comparisons a bit difficult. However, it shouldn't be that wide a margin! The only other thing I can see at the moment is that you're running version 5.8.15 - we're up to 5.10.28 so updating that might help.

http://boinc.berkeley.edu/download_all.php

I'd recommend upgrading. I've had no problems with v5.10.20

yes get the newest version ....but i would also look in your project folder to see what version of soup you have .....should have at least SSE2 ( i think )

I did the auto install on my p3 1100 and it gave me the MMX version
Have now put SSE on ..
Good luck

Personal best for me today on seti ...1415 credits ... i love you chicken
Michael  :lol:

I've just "souped up", so I'll see what difference it makes to my lowly PC ready for the Gauntlet

Me like soupy!!!  :D  :D  :D  :D   Why didn't I do this before...   It's about 30% faster for my little P4 too - yippee!

Thats what we like to see.
Happy crunchers

I have upgraded everything to 5.10.28, no errors so far except for this machine which is totally bu**ered, all errors in 2 secs
Vista-AuthenticAMD  AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 5600+ [x86 Family 15 Model 67 Stepping 3]
I assume it is cr*p vista which is the problem (I used amdsse2)..is it really really really easy to fix this? if it is then how, otherwise I will just run without it.

UBT-mark3346 wrote:I have upgraded everything to 5.10.28, no errors so far except for this machine which is totally bu**ered, all errors in 2 secs
Vista-AuthenticAMD  AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 5600+ [x86 Family 15 Model 67 Stepping 3]
I assume it is cr*p vista which is the problem (I used amdsse2)..is it really really really easy to fix this? if it is then how, otherwise I will just run without it.

jaysback pointed out a link to crunch3r site...
http://calbe.dw70.de/seti.html which has modified apps that work for vista, think you need the 3rd one down.

UBT-mark3346 wrote:I have upgraded everything to 5.10.28, no errors so far except for this machine which is totally bu**ered, all errors in 2 secs
Vista-AuthenticAMD  AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 5600+ [x86 Family 15 Model 67 Stepping 3]
I assume it is cr*p vista which is the problem (I used amdsse2)..is it really really really easy to fix this? if it is then how, otherwise I will just run without it.

Hi Mark, I run three AMD machines all with the SSE2-AMD soup, and the 6000+ machine runs Vista Pro 32bit OS.
I have also upgraded all machines to 5.10.28 without any problems, I think my first step would be to try a project reset, or detatch and reattach and reload the soup?
Hope you get it sorted

Mark

Nothing would work for me with soups and vista.
If you look on the linky above crunch3r states that it solves the vista issues.
Plus the fact that these are quicker again than the soups (some of them).

Is there a plonker in the house? found him.....

Looked at that link first saw

2.4V_Windows_x32_SSE2_AMD.zip
2.4V_Windows_x32_SSE2_AMD_GFX.zip

didn't know which one of those to use then saw the stuff about it was a mirror site went there (soup) where there is only one download to chose for each version and assumed it was the same stuff as it was a mirror site, guess not

Presumably if I detach from Seti that will get rid of soup, once reattached do I copy one or both of the above into the Seti folder?

Yeah, from memory when you detatch you wipe the Seti folder from the projects folder and all the contents of the seti folder goes! Reattach and then copy the soup into the seti folder and away you go!! In theory that is  :shock:

One has not graphics, the later is with graphics.
Thats the only difference.
Just download and install the one you want

UBT-mark3346 wrote:2.4V_Windows_x32_SSE2_AMD.zip without graphics, faster
2.4V_Windows_x32_SSE2_AMD_GFX.zip with graphics, slower

As Jaysback said, there's no need to detach-re-attach.
Just stop boinc and copy the files again from only 1 of those

Temujin wrote:

UBT-mark3346 wrote:2.4V_Windows_x32_SSE2_AMD.zip without graphics, faster
2.4V_Windows_x32_SSE2_AMD_GFX.zip with graphics, slower

As Jaysback said, there's no need to detach-re-attach.
Just stop boinc and copy the files again from only 1 of those

With/without graphics duh, how simple could that be

Thanks, looks ok so far running 8 mins without a problem....given my just about zero competence with these things would it be worthwhile using the cruncher3 ones instead of soup which I have on my other machines?

There is a 5% increase in performance over the ones at lunatics, depends whether you think its worth the hassle

And for me it was the only way to get optimized apps to run on vista.
No matter what i was unable to run the lunatics aps.
I'm very glad that crunch3r has returned with these, otherwise it may of been another clean install back to xp.

jaysback wrote:I'm very glad that crunch3r has returned with these, otherwise it may of been another clean install back to xp.

I'm getting these sort of messages from every 'tekky' podcast I listen to! One even went as far as saying, "Vista is the biggest crock of sh*t to come out of Redmond!" A lot of these people are going back to XP! It would seem a lot of shiny beads and glass doesn't make a good OS after all!  :lol:

Roll on Service Pack 3 for XP (lets see how M$ can b*gger that up!)

oh dear ! I have fallen in to the biff corner once again . I found the cruncher link , cheked which app i should download and then copied the files to install. The insrtuctions say to copy them in to BOINC/projects/setiathome.berkeley.edu folder. I can only find one BOINC folder which has loads of files but no subfolders. I copied the files to install there and clicked on the alien head and said yes to run. I restarted comp but there is no difference and I have not seen the message found app-info.xml. I have gone back into BOINC file and tried to run the app again but to no avail. I have searched the computer but have not found any more BOINC folders stashed away.

The solution is pobably very easy but from the depths of biff corner I can't see it  :shock:

Please help Obi one you are my only hope ........

sobs
Mel

you probably have a recent version of Boinc (+v6.2) which has split the programs and data into separate folders.
Have a look in C:\Documents and Settings/All Users/Application Data/  you may have another boinc folder in there and if so, it will contain a projects folder and that will contain the seti folder where you put the files

For Windows XP it's in C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Application Data\BOINC\projects\setiathome.berkeley.edu
For Vista/Windows7 it's in C:\ProgramData\BOINC\projects\setiathome.berkeley.edu

And put the optimized app in there.
Re-start Boinc and enjoy....

NaRyan wrote:For Windows XP it's in C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Application Data\BOINC\projects\setiathome.berkeley.edu
For Vista/Windows7 it's in C:\ProgramData\BOINC\projects\setiathome.berkeley.edu

And put the optimized app in there.
Re-start Boinc and enjoy....

If your using Vista then you will have to set view hidden folders to true to be able to see the 'ProgramData' folder.

Control Panel  >  Folder Options  >  Click on the view tab > Select 'show hidden files and folders' > Click ok

ARRRRRRRG

Still can't find the folder / file

I think I should go and watch the Rugby and see if all that energy might show me the way ......

VOTE FOR BEN !!!!
Thanks Ben, that did the trick and i found the file. I copied the app in to them. I think it is working as when i restarted all the tasks disappeared from my list - yes I did panic and shout a bit, but then as i was preparing to open the last  of my emergency chocolate  it requested lots of work and I now have  tasks called seti enhanced.

I hope i havent rotted up the tasks that were running before, if I have and they have aborted will I go to the seti naughty spot ??

cheers
mel

Melanie wrote:VOTE FOR BEN !!!!
Thanks Ben, that did the trick and i found the file. I copied the app in to them. I think it is working as when i restarted all the tasks disappeared from my list - yes I did panic and shout a bit, but then as i was preparing to open the last  of my emergency chocolate  it requested lots of work and I now have  tasks called seti enhanced.

I hope i havent rotted up the tasks that were running before, if I have and they have aborted will I go to the seti naughty spot ??

cheers
mel

Ben for president!  :D Of pizza express...  :lol:

You should now see in one of the messages the following:
SETI@home|Found app_info.xml; using anonymous platform

That means you are using the new modified application. Some of the tasks may have been aborted, but any new tasks should be using the new optimized application.

Anyone know where the latest optimised app is for this? Not run Seti fot a long while, and fancy a change.

UBT - The Prof.... wrote:Anyone know where the latest optimised app is for this? Not run Seti fot a long while, and fancy a change.

Take a look here Bob.
http://calbe.dw70.de/win32.html

Your best configuration would be to go for one of these 2:
» 2.4V Windows x32 SSE2 Intel
» 2.4V Windows x32 SSE2 Intel+GFX

The gfx bit means if you want to you can view whats going on (but it's more of a gimmic then anything else)

Ben wrote:» 2.4V Windows x32 SSE2 Intel
» 2.4V Windows x32 SSE2 Intel+GFX

they're really old versions and you'd be much better off following the advice on the 1st page

Temujin wrote:

Ben wrote:» 2.4V Windows x32 SSE2 Intel
» 2.4V Windows x32 SSE2 Intel+GFX

they're really old versions and you'd be much better off following the advice on the 1st page

Ahh, my bad. However, the lunatics website looks as though it's up for sale and just has adverts? Nothing that i could see regarding BOINC.


***Edit***
I have finally found the new lunatics website: http://lunatics.kwsn.net

And Bob i have now found what i think is the newer application that they have released. Just here ---> http://lunatics.kwsn.net/index.php?modu ... iew;id=128
Click on [Mirror 1] to download the .zip file.

Thanks guys, followed the advice given and installed fine. One wu downloaded, I'll see what it runs like a bit later.

UBT - The Prof.... wrote:Thanks guys, followed the advice given and installed fine. One wu downloaded, I'll see what it runs like a bit later.

Did you download the newer version from http://lunatics.kwsn.net? Or the older version?

I'm not sure the older version will still work now.

Ben wrote:

UBT - The Prof.... wrote:Thanks guys, followed the advice given and installed fine. One wu downloaded, I'll see what it runs like a bit later.

Did you download the newer version from http://lunatics.kwsn.net? Or the older version?

I'm not sure the older version will still work now.

Downloaded the newer version. Looks like the wu I have will finish in about an hour (43% after 26 mins). When downloaded showed run time of over 14 hours so a massive improvement. If anyone else needs Seti Optimized App, I recomend this one.. It's BRILL  :!:  8)

Now running the new app for normal seti wu's (not astropulse) and taking about 100mins/wu

Another n00b question!

Can I install the astropulse app at the same time as the normal seti app, therefore getting both normal wu's and astropulse wu's both using the optimised apps?

Thanks!

Is the new location for these optimised apps located here?
   http://lunatics.kwsn.net/index.php

I've also found the Seti programs to be located here on my copy of Windows 7:
   C:\ProgramData\BOINC\projects\setiathome.berkeley.edu