Primegrid Kathryn Johnston Memorial
Primegrid Kathryn Johnston Memorial
TRP-LLR workunits unit only. Richard in 6th place all by himself. Well done that man. I will give you a hand on a couple of my hosts.
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I set the tasks to use 4 threads and they still take a long time to finish. I didn't turn off HT though.
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i have my i9 using 24 threads. about 90 mins per task. i also have the i7 using 12 threads. about 90 mins per task. how long are your tasks taking?ChelseaOilman wrote: ↑Sat Jul 25, 2020 1:55 am I set the tasks to use 4 threads and they still take a long time to finish. I didn't turn off HT though.
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ahh now i see what you're doing. DOH!!!!!! im so stupid. multiple VMs. A lot of them seem to be paying for 3 droplet instances in TSCChelseaOilman wrote: ↑Sat Jul 25, 2020 1:55 am I set the tasks to use 4 threads and they still take a long time to finish. I didn't turn off HT though.
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Hi all
This Challenge has 2 days, 12 hours and 30 mins to go !!
So, here's a link to the stats for Individuals:
http://www.primegrid.com/challenge/2020 ... users.html
and here's the link for Teams:
http://www.primegrid.com/challenge/2020 ... teams.html
Current UBT-member stats as of Last update: 2020-07-29 07:30 UTC):
(464 individuals taking part from many teams):
Current Team stats (Top 30 out of 97) as of Last update: 2020-07-29 07:16 UTC):
I am competing in this but all my hosts are offline, pending tonights announcement of the 13th Sprint project - and hopefully it might be PrimeGrid, so I can upload my results once the FB Sprint starts tomorrow night (and before THIS Challenge ends). If PG is NOT chosen, I'll maybe upload tonight and grab tasks from the relevant project.
regards
Tim
This Challenge has 2 days, 12 hours and 30 mins to go !!
So, here's a link to the stats for Individuals:
http://www.primegrid.com/challenge/2020 ... users.html
and here's the link for Teams:
http://www.primegrid.com/challenge/2020 ... teams.html
Current UBT-member stats as of Last update: 2020-07-29 07:30 UTC):
(464 individuals taking part from many teams):
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Rank Name Team Score Tasks
34 Homefarm UK BOINC Team 2 146 389.39 375
132 ChelseaOilman UK BOINC Team 366 776.13 67
248 TroubledBunny UK BOINC Team 98 945.06 17
266 bigsinky UK BOINC Team 75 720.50 15
313 UBT - Mikeejones UK BOINC Team 34 767.25 6
321 Paul Griffin UK BOINC Team 33 312.33 6
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Rank Name Score Tasks
1 Antarctic Crunchers 78 723 776.01 13 808
2 Ural Federal University 32 047 523.31 5 627
3 Czech National Team 31 112 044.66 5 507
4 Aggie The Pew 30 576 919.90 5 329
5 SETI.Germany 21 642 054.06 3 794
6 TeAm AnandTech 18 726 852.28 3 301
7 [H]ard|OCP 12 352 134.00 2 169
8 AMD Users 11 384 505.27 1 992
9 Ultimate Chaos 9 955 926.42 1 757
10 USA 8 256 399.67 1 450
11 BOINC@MIXI 6 660 805.92 1 168
12 BOINC@AUSTRALIA 5 448 124.24 959
13 Metal Archives 5 057 761.26 888
14 Rechenkraft.net 4 747 724.18 828
15 Sicituradastra. 3 963 916.52 694
16 Team 2ch 3 754 513.54 663
17 Crunching@EVGA 3 219 972.80 564
18 UK BOINC Team 2 755 910.67 486
19 BOINCstats 2 678 307.66 482
20 Storm 2 623 219.68 462
21 Ukraine 1 924 724.49 341
22 Noobs Of Kryta [NOOB] 1 565 620.06 275
23 The Knights Who Say Ni! 1 495 889.90 266
24 Brony@Home 1 492 783.50 263
25 Alien Prime Cult 1 461 215.71 257
26 Russia 1 255 934.44 226
27 Canada 1 082 305.54 188
28 BOINC Confederation 1 071 808.37 189
29 The Scottish Boinc Team 1 053 381.10 184
30 Dutch Power Cows 1 006 899.40 180
I am competing in this but all my hosts are offline, pending tonights announcement of the 13th Sprint project - and hopefully it might be PrimeGrid, so I can upload my results once the FB Sprint starts tomorrow night (and before THIS Challenge ends). If PG is NOT chosen, I'll maybe upload tonight and grab tasks from the relevant project.
regards
Tim
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Just saw this posted in the PG Discord server:
The only thing I hate about PG is being a double checker. Sorry to see you didn't find the prime 1st bigsinky.PrimeGrid Primes
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Today at 4:25 AM
Tuesday July 28, 2020 18:06:47 UTC: 5492438839587*2^1290000-1 is an SGS prime (388,342 digits) found by Kellen and double-checked by bigsinky. https://www.primegrid.com/workunit.php?wuid=667869704
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I didn't think of that Tim, what a great idea. I'm running GFN 19 again but could go back to PPS-SV for it's higher credits. That's if I can get a bunker going. The only downside is IF (big IF) you find a prime but miss first dibs.UBT - Timbo wrote: ↑Wed Jul 29, 2020 8:22 am Hi all
This Challenge has 2 days, 12 hours and 30 mins to go !!
So, here's a link to the stats for Individuals:
http://www.primegrid.com/challenge/2020 ... users.html
and here's the link for Teams:
http://www.primegrid.com/challenge/2020 ... teams.html
Current UBT-member stats as of Last update: 2020-07-29 07:30 UTC):
(464 individuals taking part from many teams):
Current Team stats (Top 30 out of 97) as of Last update: 2020-07-29 07:16 UTC):Code: Select all
Rank Name Team Score Tasks 34 Homefarm UK BOINC Team 2 146 389.39 375 132 ChelseaOilman UK BOINC Team 366 776.13 67 248 TroubledBunny UK BOINC Team 98 945.06 17 266 bigsinky UK BOINC Team 75 720.50 15 313 UBT - Mikeejones UK BOINC Team 34 767.25 6 321 Paul Griffin UK BOINC Team 33 312.33 6
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Rank Name Score Tasks 1 Antarctic Crunchers 78 723 776.01 13 808 2 Ural Federal University 32 047 523.31 5 627 3 Czech National Team 31 112 044.66 5 507 4 Aggie The Pew 30 576 919.90 5 329 5 SETI.Germany 21 642 054.06 3 794 6 TeAm AnandTech 18 726 852.28 3 301 7 [H]ard|OCP 12 352 134.00 2 169 8 AMD Users 11 384 505.27 1 992 9 Ultimate Chaos 9 955 926.42 1 757 10 USA 8 256 399.67 1 450 11 BOINC@MIXI 6 660 805.92 1 168 12 BOINC@AUSTRALIA 5 448 124.24 959 13 Metal Archives 5 057 761.26 888 14 Rechenkraft.net 4 747 724.18 828 15 Sicituradastra. 3 963 916.52 694 16 Team 2ch 3 754 513.54 663 17 Crunching@EVGA 3 219 972.80 564 18 UK BOINC Team 2 755 910.67 486 19 BOINCstats 2 678 307.66 482 20 Storm 2 623 219.68 462 21 Ukraine 1 924 724.49 341 22 Noobs Of Kryta [NOOB] 1 565 620.06 275 23 The Knights Who Say Ni! 1 495 889.90 266 24 Brony@Home 1 492 783.50 263 25 Alien Prime Cult 1 461 215.71 257 26 Russia 1 255 934.44 226 27 Canada 1 082 305.54 188 28 BOINC Confederation 1 071 808.37 189 29 The Scottish Boinc Team 1 053 381.10 184 30 Dutch Power Cows 1 006 899.40 180
I am competing in this but all my hosts are offline, pending tonights announcement of the 13th Sprint project - and hopefully it might be PrimeGrid, so I can upload my results once the FB Sprint starts tomorrow night (and before THIS Challenge ends). If PG is NOT chosen, I'll maybe upload tonight and grab tasks from the relevant project.
regards
Tim
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Hi all
As PrimeGrid wasnt chosen for the Sprint I uploaded my PG tasks, so here's the stats for UBT members on this Challenge as of Last update: 2020-07-30 08:46:30 UTC and with a total of 494 members crunching:
Team ranking as of Last update: 2020-07-30 08:45:52 UTC:
Potentially UBT could gain one or two places...but I doubt we could get to 17th...have to wait and see at the end.
regards
Tim
As PrimeGrid wasnt chosen for the Sprint I uploaded my PG tasks, so here's the stats for UBT members on this Challenge as of Last update: 2020-07-30 08:46:30 UTC and with a total of 494 members crunching:
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Rank Name Team Score Tasks
35 Homefarm UK BOINC Team 2 691 863.63 469
148 ChelseaOilman UK BOINC Team 366 776.13 67
266 TroubledBunny UK BOINC Team 104 641.30 18
284 bigsinky UK BOINC Team 75 720.50 15
314 UBT - Timbo UK BOINC Team 48 489.90 8
340 UBT - Mikeejones UK BOINC Team 34 767.25 6
345 Paul Griffin UK BOINC Team 33 312.33 6
441 Ben Atkins UK BOINC Team 6 356.77 1
444 Rimmer161 UK BOINC Team 6 346.75 1
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17 Crunching@EVGA 4 143 490.18 722
18 Storm 3 478 398.59 607
19 BOINCstats 3 441 951.88 614
20 UK BOINC Team 3 368 274.58 591
21 Ukraine 2 472 838.83 435
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Hi all
This Challenge ended last night so here are the final placings:
Teams
UBT finished in a quite acceptable 20th place, mainly due to Richard and Carls efforts, and far enough ahead of Ukraine to make it "comfortable".
UBT member positions (out of 545 members in total):
10 members completed tasks for this Challenge so well done to everyone who got involved.
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Tim
This Challenge ended last night so here are the final placings:
Teams
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1 Antarctic Crunchers 125 316 232.17 21 689
2 Czech National Team 54 238 424.44 9 459
3 Aggie The Pew 53 517 543.73 9 219
4 Ural Federal University 50 557 759.97 8 754
5 SETI.Germany 35 052 092.98 6 065
6 TeAm AnandTech 27 169 179.63 4 745
7 [H]ard|OCP 19 485 653.25 3 370
8 AMD Users 18 760 635.52 3 248
9 Ultimate Chaos 14 342 405.23 2 503
10 USA 13 532 430.70 2 341
11 BOINC@MIXI 10 635 123.96 1 843
12 BOINC@AUSTRALIA 8 834 023.70 1 533
13 Rechenkraft.net 8 187 378.53 1 412
14 Metal Archives 8 011 348.63 1 386
15 Team 2ch 6 386 180.87 1 113
16 Sicituradastra. 6 302 183.29 1 088
17 Crunching@EVGA 5 310 258.26 921
18 Storm 4 625 847.31 802
19 BOINCstats 4 486 890.63 792
20 UK BOINC Team 4 069 537.02 708
21 Ukraine 3 250 456.17 568
UBT finished in a quite acceptable 20th place, mainly due to Richard and Carls efforts, and far enough ahead of Ukraine to make it "comfortable".
UBT member positions (out of 545 members in total):
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34 Homefarm UK BOINC Team 3 324 793.48 574
172 ChelseaOilman UK BOINC Team 366 776.13 67
286 TroubledBunny UK BOINC Team 104 641.30 18
292 UBT - Timbo UK BOINC Team 94 966.28 16
309 bigsinky UK BOINC Team 75 720.50 15
361 UBT - Mikeejones UK BOINC Team 34 767.25 6
368 Paul Griffin UK BOINC Team 33 312.33 6
442 Rimmer161 UK BOINC Team 16 188.65 3
449 Ben Atkins UK BOINC Team 12 781.17 2
519 Sean UK BOINC Team 5 589.92 1
regards
Tim
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i gave up on this when i found out most of AC just buy 3 droplet xeon VMs from TSC. I believe tng had over 500 going. from a personal point of view i would rather see actual computers owned by ppl take part. not just who has the deepest pockets wins. Someone i believe said that 2k a week running costs for some people. well heeled indeed. are they smart? probably. how much to run 1500 vcores a day? just my tuppence worth. rant over
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In reference to this thread: viewtopic.php?f=21&t=6695 I'd be very interested in learning more about AC and TSC. Are you able to share some links?
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Janos
take a mosey on over to the primegrid discord channel. some interesting stuff. most of the antartic crunchers reside. i would also speak to ChelseaOilman as he might be able to shed a bit more light. i did 5 or 6 3 core droplets on TSC running SGS and PPSE workunits for Primegrid. about $50 worth. they didnt last long.
Thanks
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take a mosey on over to the primegrid discord channel. some interesting stuff. most of the antartic crunchers reside. i would also speak to ChelseaOilman as he might be able to shed a bit more light. i did 5 or 6 3 core droplets on TSC running SGS and PPSE workunits for Primegrid. about $50 worth. they didnt last long.
Thanks
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Hi Neilbigsinky wrote: ↑Mon Aug 03, 2020 7:13 am i gave up on this when i found out most of AC just buy 3 droplet xeon VMs from TSC. I believe tng had over 500 going. from a personal point of view i would rather see actual computers owned by ppl take part. not just who has the deepest pockets wins. Someone i believe said that 2k a week running costs for some people. well heeled indeed. are they smart? probably. how much to run 1500 vcores a day? just my tuppence worth. rant over
Yup - that could be a big problem.
I guess there's (at least) 2 ways of looking at this:
On one side is the issue of using computing resources to help a project, in an altruistic way, esp if the project has specific scientific goals at it's heart. Obviously some current projects involved in researching Covid-19 is a case in point, where volunteer computing hardware is being used to help science for the benefit of all.
On the other side are the perhaps the aims of earning some short-term "paper milestones" where one's individual account or a team achieves a high ranking on a specific Challenge. In this case, one perhaps has to have a massive ego that needs "massaging" to make everyone believe in your "superiority".
Personally, I do BOINC for reason #1 and I have some (minor) goals that I'd like to achieve, simply because I hope it inspires others to help a specific project whilst also providing enough resources that the project can get some meaningful results from.
I cannot see the point of crunching BOINC for reason #2, UNLESS someone REALLY wants to help a specific project in a very big way, simply because they believe the project can do much better with their contribution. So, if team AC (Antarctic Crunchers) REALLY wanted to help PrimeGrid, then I would hope that they make it their #1 project and dedicate ALL their resources to it, rather than just selecting it for a short time period during a Challenge.
Ultimately, apart from the selfish people who join GridCoin, (so they can extract some financial rewards from their crunching) most people are in it for the science and for being part of an unselfish community where lots of us are "doing our bit".
But there will always be some who want their "5 seconds of fame in the spotlight" though I doubt anyone from outside BOINC will even notice AC earning 1st place on this Challenge...so pretty much a waste of their time and effort and perhaps their cash !!
re: Cloud computing for BOINC
Whether we 100% realise it or not, when we crunch data for BOINC it is costing each of us money - for the hardware, for the leccy to power it and for the time to actually "micro-manage" it.
So, if one were to put a price to this, one could imagine buying a decent mobo, CPU, RAM, hard drive, monitor, keyboard, mouse etc, plus internet access so, say £500-1000 for the hardware and £20/month for internet access.
For a newbie (who had no use of the PC other than for crunching), cloud computing might make financial sense, as for a similar cost, one could crunch data on the cloud for say £10/month for say 120 months.
ie PC cost = £500 + £20/month for say 36 months = £1220
OR cloud computing = £10/month for 10 YEARS = £1200
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HiJanos wrote: ↑Mon Aug 03, 2020 8:21 am In reference to this thread: viewtopic.php?f=21&t=6695 I'd be very interested in learning more about AC and TSC. Are you able to share some links?
TSC is The Science Cloud, run by Rytis, an admin of PrimeGrid:
https://thescience.cloud/
More from Discord channel:
https://discord.com/channels/3574937524 ... 2717416498
regardsTSC is a system to make it easy (point and click) to purchase cloud resources to run various BOINC projects. It's not for general purpose usage. It's just for running BOINC
Digital Ocean is a cloud provider. It (currently) provides the CPU resources you can rent from TSC
TSC is a "value added" layer on top of Digital Ocean, at least right now. TSC can use other providers too
Tim
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Thanks Neil and Tim
Some strange pricing over there on TSC. The unit price per core scales in a weird way.
Some strange pricing over there on TSC. The unit price per core scales in a weird way.
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This thread here has some info: viewtopic.php?f=21&t=6648Janos wrote: ↑Mon Aug 03, 2020 8:21 am In reference to this thread: viewtopic.php?f=21&t=6695 I'd be very interested in learning more about AC and TSC. Are you able to share some links?
A link to the PrimeGrid Discord server if you need it: https://discord.gg/N2mCaQz
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we know. most cost effective is the 3 droplet. i asked why the 6 droplet was x5 times the price. has to do with the memory and disc space associated with the 6 droplet instance. 2x 3 droplet way cheaper than a 6 droplet.
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totally agree with you on the first point. to use cloud computing for things like the covid research is admirable. people paying for vm instances to process folding@home or WCG.UBT - Timbo wrote: ↑Mon Aug 03, 2020 12:24 pmre: Cloud computing for BOINCbigsinky wrote: ↑Mon Aug 03, 2020 7:13 am i gave up on this when i found out most of AC just buy 3 droplet xeon VMs from TSC. I believe tng had over 500 going. from a personal point of view i would rather see actual computers owned by ppl take part. not just who has the deepest pockets wins. Someone i believe said that 2k a week running costs for some people. well heeled indeed. are they smart? probably. how much to run 1500 vcores a day? just my tuppence worth. rant over
Whether we 100% realise it or not, when we crunch data for BOINC it is costing each of us money - for the hardware, for the leccy to power it and for the time to actually "micro-manage" it.
So, if one were to put a price to this, one could imagine buying a decent mobo, CPU, RAM, hard drive, monitor, keyboard, mouse etc, plus internet access so, say £500-1000 for the hardware and £20/month for internet access.
For a newbie (who had no use of the PC other than for crunching), cloud computing might make financial sense, as for a similar cost, one could crunch data on the cloud for say £10/month for say 120 months.
ie PC cost = £500 + £20/month for say 36 months = £1220
OR cloud computing = £10/month for 10 YEARS = £1200
regards
Tim
your second point about crunching boinc for other reasons (as you say to win challenges and have 15 mins of fame) hits home and is at the heart of the matter. i know some of you guys have spent what amounts to a small fortune on your rigs. you do this because its fun (most of the time) and there is a bit of banter etc etc. some of you have been at this a long time. yes the initial outlay and then the running costs are sometime prohibitive so cloud computing makes economical sense. you're just spending your money in a different way. i have no truck with that. if you want to blow $2.4K a week with 500 3 core instances im not going to stand in your way. i can think of better things to spend my money on. just think it runs against the spirit of boinc. you crunched using your own computer. thats how it started out 25 years ago. i know times change and the way we do things changes. people will say how its crunching with cloud computers any different from what your doing. Start the droplet. point it at the project you want. keep feeding it money. the end result is the same. projects get result. if i want to throw a load of money at it so what.
Im ranting again. something i feel exercised about as if you couldn't tell. I'm probably making a mountain out of a mole hill. just nieve i suppose.
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Hi Neilbigsinky wrote: ↑Mon Aug 03, 2020 10:48 pm totally agree with you on the first point. to use cloud computing for things like the covid research is admirable. people paying for vm instances to process folding@home or WCG.
your second point about crunching boinc for other reasons (as you say to win challenges and have 15 mins of fame) hits home and is at the heart of the matter. i know some of you guys have spent what amounts to a small fortune on your rigs. you do this because its fun (most of the time) and there is a bit of banter etc etc. some of you have been at this a long time. yes the initial outlay and then the running costs are sometime prohibitive so cloud computing makes economical sense. you're just spending your money in a different way. i have no truck with that. if you want to blow $2.4K a week with 500 3 core instances im not going to stand in your way. i can think of better things to spend my money on. just think it runs against the spirit of boinc. you crunched using your own computer. thats how it started out 25 years ago. i know times change and the way we do things changes. people will say how its crunching with cloud computers any different from what your doing. Start the droplet. point it at the project you want. keep feeding it money. the end result is the same. projects get result. if i want to throw a load of money at it so what.
Im ranting again. something i feel exercised about as if you couldn't tell. I'm probably making a mountain out of a mole hill. just nieve i suppose.
Yup - it is what it is and, nowadays, people do have a choice as to hwo to spend their dosh and if they want to give cloud crunching a go, it's their money.
But I'm with you on the "old way" of crunching - setting up a personal host at home, getting it working and maybe tweaking it to perform better so as to benefit the projects more than it would if it were a "stock" computer. And it's great to have the banter too, esp when things go wrong and one needs advice on how to get it working again...or just trading "configuration" tweaks to get the most out of your CPU and/or GPU.
Ultimately though, one way or another, the projects do get a benefit out of whichever method of crunching is utilised...whether it's some one with a single host or someone else with a bigger bank balance who can afford to buy cloud resources.
But what seems unfair to me, is when individuals buy up cloud computing resources during Challenges/Sprints, as it means individuals with resources based at home cannot compete.
And the only way to stop cloud-based hosts is for the Challenge organisers to block any results from specific IP addresses...and if the organiser is the project themselves, then they won't do that as they will be blocking the very data that they want.
So, there's not a lot anyone can do to put this right, unless each project puts an absolute limit on the number of hosts each "personal " account can use (say a maximum of 3?). And maybe "corporate" accounts can have say up to 10 hosts. And "enterprise" accounts could have an unlimited number. That could be the way to level the playing field.
And then Challenges could be targetted at specific types of user accounts - which would make it fairer.
But I doubt any project would do that.
regards
Tim